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  From A Bublical Point Of View Did You Ever Think The Trinity Doctrine Made Sense?

  by minimus in

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  i see no logic in it.

  i see what appears to be some scriptural contradictions but i see no merit in a trinitarian view of god.. .

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  Take the position that the trinity is true and I will show you from the Bible why it is false. Take the position that the trinity is false and I will show you from the Bible that it is true. You can use the Bible support or condem just about anything you want as it so often has contridictory claims. There's a reason there's over 30,000 denominations of Christianity in the United States alone.
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  Evolution and spirits

  by Chris Tann in

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  as of now iam making an unbiased examination of evolution.

  however one thing keeps me hanging on to the belief of a supreme spirit being; the existence of spirits.

  i have heard countless accounts of people who have experienced frightening encounters with evil forces.

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  Chris Tann,

  We don't use anecdotal evidence to support evolution. We use facts that demonstrable with measurable accuracy. It is verifiable with direct observation and repeatable experamentation.

  The claims of two people saying the saw something is not the same as the mountains of evidence that support evolution. But I'll ask my questions again:

  1.) What are the names of the people who witnessed it?

  2.) What is the name of the child that was dragged?

  3.) How was it verfied that it was a supernatural event?

  -CL
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  Evolution and spirits

  by Chris Tann in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as of now iam making an unbiased examination of evolution.

  however one thing keeps me hanging on to the belief of a supreme spirit being; the existence of spirits.

  i have heard countless accounts of people who have experienced frightening encounters with evil forces.

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  At the hospital a few witnesses( a nurse and a social worker) saw one of the children levitate backwards across the floor and then float up the wall. This was a public activity of wicked spirits. Verified.

  Where did this happen? What were the names of the witnesses? What was the name of the child? Who exactly "verified" it? And how have you determined that it was "spirits" that did it?

  So how does soneone who is an atheist, believes in evolution account for these things that have been happening for thousands of years?

  You are trying to switch the burden of proof from you to the athiest. You're the one making the claim that supernatural events occure. Thus, it is up to you to provide evidence for your claim and explain how you've determined what caused it. First you would have to demonstrate that such an event did in fact occure. Next, you would need to explain how you know that it was "spirits". Just because another person doesn't have a naturalistic explination for something DOES NOT MEAN that you just get to plug in a super natural explination. When we don't know the answer to something the answer is "I don't know" not "hey, let's make something up."
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  "Did Jesus Save The Klingons?"

  by metatron in

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  http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/religion-extraterrestrials-jesus-save-klingons/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed%3a+scientificamerican-news+%28content%3a+news%29.

  even sci am magazine is getting in on the et/religion question.. they would have to give up blood pie to be witnesses though.

  and duels to the death.. .

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  No - no - no! Kahless saved the Klingons!
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  Please Give Me Your Thoughts On Unusual Elderly Behavior....(thanks)

  by minimus in

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  my girlfriend's dad who is 82 lost his second wife to cancer last october.

  while she was dying, he secretly was seeing another woman, in her 60s.

  long story short, a month after the wife's death, they both moved in together and in early june , they secretly got married.

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  I find all of these comments incredibly sexist! Who says she's not the one who is loaded and he's the one using her?

  Maybe he's the one who's an 80 year old hottie!
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  Why I Refuse to Accept the term APOSTATE

  by Black Man in

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  been going back in forth with my mom (who is a longtime pioneer and dyed-in-the-wool jw) about the term apostate.

  she has labeled me one because of my fading and because i stopped attending meetings a few years ago.

  i told her that i refuse to accept the term apostate because its a lazy way for the wts to not deal with dissenters and address why people are leaving this organization in droves.

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  Okay I really got to speak my mind on this one because this is one of the most ridiculous things that the WTBTS does! The Greek word apostate (from apostasia) means to renounce, depart, or go away from. It does NOT mean to disagree with or to criticize. The WTBTS has taken the modern use of the world (synonymous with revolt) and has tried to apply it retroactively to the Bible. It is incredibly dishonest and in direct conflict with the teachings of the Bible.

  Worse, they now use it as Loaded Language so thagt anytime a JW feels uncomfortable when being called out on the inconsitancy of their beliefs or when someone challenges authority they can just say, “Oh, that person is an apostate. Don’t talk to them."

  * Loaded Language is intended to produce an emotional response in the mind of the audience while the meaning is intentionally obfuscated in order to vilify or condem a particular minority or belief without raising an alarm among those who would be offended by the actual meaning.

  For example, the term "family values" immediately invokes the feelings of warmth, security, honesty and support that a family brings. Even though the term really means a few vicious pet social issues - hatred of gays , being anti- abortion , and restricting roles for women. (See also " traditional values ").

  -Rational Wiki
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  Lockheed: Limitless Energy?

  by metatron in

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  http://news.yahoo.com/lockheed-says-makes-breakthrough-fusion-energy-project-123840986--finance.html.

  a prototype for testing in a year?

  there have been a number of claims about fusion reactors in the past year but this seems the most bold.. .

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  Another sensationalist claim. At best, fusion technology is 30 years away.

  "There are a lot of reasons to be skeptical about Lockheed's announcement, says Mahajan, who, with a team of scientists, designed a new way to reduce waste from nuclear reactors in 2009. First, fusion reactors right now are pretty big. Mahajan says making them smaller is extremely hard to do—you need a very confined space, with loads of material at extremely high densities, and then you need to get that power out of the reactor to be used. "So it's both the physics and the engineering which are extremely, extremely daunting," he said. "We know of no materials that would be able to handle anywhere near that amount of heat."

  Mahajan called Lockheed's announcement "poppycock." He said, "Getting net energy from fusion is such a goddamn difficult undertaking," he said. "We're all aware that there's always a finite chance of some breakthrough which is beyond the powers of imagination." But if there was a genuine breakthrough, he said, "we'd be screaming from the treetops."
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

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  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  900 you say? Well that represents less than 1/50th of 1% of the worlds scientests. And, its not a decent from evolution. The majority of the people signing it think that there may be factors other than natural selection - such as genetic drift and gene flow that cause species to evolve.

  I recomend you look up Project Steve which is a list of scientists with the given name "Steve" or "Steven" who support evolution. With just that name alone there are already more than 1,200 signitories.
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  Can a religion claim: “Only we have the truth”?

  by Kalos in

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  truth is self-evident (things like: the whole is greater than its part ....).. truth is always right (things like: caring for the accident victim helplessly bleeding on the road ....).. claiming: only we have the truth is like claiming: only my university is useful.

  history shows that many school/college drop-outs have made significant contributions to the society like many those who completed their education!

  and on the contrary, many school/college drop-outs have made significant damage to the society like some of those who completed their education!

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  Anyone can claim anything. What matters is the evidence you have to support your proposition.
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  Do we know for sure what happens after death?

  by Yondaime in

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  christian denominations say we go to heaven, witness say we stay alseep until ressurection.

  quran says when we go we grt 72 virgins, unless we blow some people up.. .

  i'm not really concerned with death atm, i'm not dead.

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  How come no one asks, "Is there life before birth?"

  I don't remember being around before I was born. Chances are I'm not going to be around after I die.